This is an interview article with Jean.
Jean’s responses are highlighted in light green.

This time, we spoke with Ho’oponopono instructor Jean.
The theme is “How can we practice cleaning more concretely?”
Jean has been practicing cleaning for over 40 years.
She says:
“It’s essential to help our conscious and subconscious minds deeply understand what cleaning is.”

<Memories with Morrnah>

── Jean, I’m delighted to speak with you today. Among Ho’oponopono instructors, you are one of the precious few who worked directly with Morrnah. Please share some memories of her.

What I recall first about Morrnah is the phrase she always used—“Look at yourself.”
It was like her personal mantra.

Once, during a class, a woman asked,
“My daughter is about to give birth. Will it be a boy or a girl?”
Morrnah answered quietly,
“That is not a question you should ask. It is an invasion of privacy.”

The woman then asked,
“If I am experiencing a negative situation, isn’t it possible that it’s the other person’s fault?”
Morrnah replied immediately,
“It is not.”

In that moment the entire room fell silent.
Her words carried deep conviction and calm.

Morrnah often said, “I have no followers.”
We wondered why, since many people feel they need a group or companions for support.
But she said,
“Ho’oponopono is a process between you and Divinity within you.
Nothing else is necessary.
Your true support is your ‘inner family’—the inner father, mother, and child becoming one,
and connecting with Divinity.”

She also said,
“The essence of Ho’oponopono is discovering your inner divinity.
Divinity is not somewhere outside; it is within you.”

Cleaning is the process in which you and your inner family explore your relationship with Divinity together.

<How to View Children and Gaming>

── These days, many children seem absorbed in games and videos. Parents often end up scolding, “Are you playing again?” Perhaps that very moment is a chance to “look at yourself.” Jean, as parents, how can we clean with what appears to be a child’s “game dependence”?

Begin by cleaning with the thoughts and feelings you hold about electronic games.
Anger, irritation, impatience—
clean with whatever thoughts and emotions arise in that moment.
Any tool is fine.
Ask yourself, “What about electronic games is triggering a reaction in me?”

What you truly seek is harmony for the whole family through guidance from Divinity.
Include everything in your cleaning—your partner’s reactions, the scenes where your child talks about games with friends.

For example, if you feel a flicker of annoyance when you see your child gaming with friends, use a tool right then.
Ho’oponopono is the practice of cleaning “in this moment.”

── To be honest, sometimes it feels very difficult.

Yes, it’s natural to feel that way.
Start small.
Ask yourself, “What memories in me are producing this experience?”
We are not here to “correct” situations;
we are here to clean with them.

── Sometimes I can’t help taking away my child’s game device, and afterward I feel guilty.

You can clean with that guilt as well.
Whatever choice you made, there is always hope.
Even regret becomes material for cleaning.
Clean with the very experience of “being a parent”—
the joys, the worries, the anxieties about the future—include all of it.
That is what it means to “look at yourself.”

── Thank you. That is very deep.

It can be hard to feel that another person is perfect when we’re engaging with them.
Yet every person is created perfect.
The problems we experience are produced by memories within ourselves.

We may act under the sway of anger or fear.
But when you notice, pause and ask, “What can I do right now?”

── Children really are the best beings for helping parents look within, aren’t they?

Exactly.
Dr. Hew Len also says, “Children come to trouble us” (laughs).
It’s like a glass of cloudy water.
Cleaning is letting go of the cloudiness so the light of Divinity can enter.

When you clean with your thoughts about yourself and your child, your child will also begin to shift in their own way, little by little.
And make daily life itself a target for cleaning—
including your schedules and plans—so they can move within the flow of Divinity.

── Thank you so much.

Thank you.
As parents, we often accumulate many “shoulds” without realizing it.
All of those notions can be cleaned.
The memories of what you believe to be the “right way to raise a child”
can also influence the parent–child relationship.

That’s why—
always begin with cleaning.